Winnipeg Roads

Carboy15

So ya, they're too scared to rip through an area that gets lots of traffic, but they wanted to build an Interstate style Interchange at Archibald @ Marion

Carboy15

Literally my reaction to that:
https://files.fm/f/p6nc44c273

Carboy15

The Intersection of Archibald and Marion would be more appropriate with a Roundabout Installed there. I understand roundabouts aren't loved on arterial roads, but it shows how little traffic that Intersection gets to justify an Interchange. Even so, that's one of the places that could get away with a Roundabout.

Carboy15

LRT should be done with the Winnipeg Rail Relocation, which is in feasibilty studies, but hopefully will be considered. Bodaggin and I think that if we were to get LRT, we should use existing rail lines for that. Even some current lines should be used for commuter rail. The CP Winnipeg Beach and La Riviere sub could be used for Commuter Rail to Selkirk. as it goes past Polo Park, and they could have it go to Union Station. If Morden and Winkler keep expanding, maybe commuter rail could be considered to go there, serving Morris and La Salle along the way. While some of this may be pie in the sky, I feel like a Union Station to Steinbach (or La Broquerie, to cut costs) commuter line would be logical. But it would be expensive as it would probably require a seperate track to be constructed because it's a CN Freight Mainline.

fluxcore

brainstorm they're prioritizing residential streets over main routes

Main routes,, like Wellington?? The first street any visitor to Winnipeg sees,, and it's full of potholes and joint heaves,,

What a first impression,,

brainstorm

Wondering how much Mill & Fill costs per lane-km, in Winnipeg in 2025?

It's about $375,000 per lane-km.

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Here's the bid results for roughly 12 lane-km on Portage Ave. Keep in mind this includes 2.8 lane-km of "rehabilitation". So actual mill & fill may be closer to $300k or below per lane-km.

Merx Bids: (source)
Construction Map: (source)

brainstorm

Cost to mill & fill all Winnipeg main routes:

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Total main route lane-kms: 1,800km
Mill & Fill cost per lane-km: $375,000
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Total cost: $675 million
2025 road budget: $170 million
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So if all road dollars were directed entirely to main routes, every main route in Winnipeg could be mill & filled in 3-4 years, without a single increase to the road budget. This is the power of prioritization and efficiency.

Carboy15

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winnipeg-25-year-transportation-plan-1.7555088

brainstorm

$133 million upgrade to Marion. How TF are they spending $30m per km? They're basically doing nothing except repaving and adding bike lanes? They didn't even do the Dugald connector that @Carboy15 suggested.

This city council needs a purge. All of them.

Carboy15

Personally, I find that how they percieve the need to upgrade Marion Street to be a bit exaggerated. For the railway tracks, I don't think that line gets as much rail traffic as the CPR Mainline (Keewatin and Carberry Subdivisions) does. Plus, this is another reason why that rail relocation needs to happen. Not to mention that Route 90 needs the underpasses more than on Marion.

Also too, it's kinda dumb that they don't want to make that Dugald and Marion connector. Not to mention that we already have the roads there, we just need to widen it ande redesign it.

Carboy15

brainstorm

Carboy15

Hey wait. This Dugald Connector pic looks like a professional drawing. Did CoW propose this somewhere? Where is this from?

This is exactly what should happen here. It's perfect. 😍

Carboy15

Yep. Lack of forward thinking. The traffic light on Lag @ Marion is a pain in the bum-bum already. Why not just remove one Intersection on Lagimodiere and have one less traffic light?

Carboy15

Biff posted it on SSP Page 340 Winnipeg Roads and Infrastructure

Carboy15

And with railway underpasses, the Marion and Dugald AADT is lower than most other roads in Winnipeg.

How about building railway overpasses/underpasses on Abinoji Mikanah or Fermor at the CP Emerson Sub? How about Route 90 at the CP La Riviere Sub? I know this is a Provincial Highway, but The Perimeter @ Dugald and CP Emerson needs it more.

brainstorm

Carboy15 Bingo. 🎯

This all ties in to the rail yard relocation too. We need to go through and identify how many potential overpasses would be avoided if the rail lines were moved.

I can almost guarantee the savings from avoiding these overpasses will far exceed any costs from moving the rail lines and building a rail bypass like this.

Carboy15

brainstorm

Totally. The CN Rivers and Reddit Subdivision, since it has many rail overpasses, it could help make Commuter Rail, Light Rail, and Intercity rail more reliable. The Via Lines would have uninterupted travel and less conflict with freight trains.

Plus, this could even prepare for High Speed Rail in the future. It will be a while before High Speed Rail comes to Western Canada, because the Calgary to Edmonton and Toronto to Quebec City line needs to be built first.

Carboy15

This video shows why we need to build more dedicated passenger rail lines. I think this happened by mistake as the CP Train wasn't supposed to be using the line or something like that. But our passenger trains and freight trains use the same line most of the time.

Carboy15

But anyways, what's your opinion on this design for roads? I heard Dugald Road is getting pavement renewals between Plessis Road and Ravenhurst Street, but it will probably be a 2-lane road like it is now. I feel like it should be upgraded with a median turning lane for access to local properties.

Route 115 in general needs upgrades from Archibald to the Perimeter. The Dugald and Marion connector via Panet Road needs to be done to remove an Intersection at Lagimodiere. And Twinning of Dugald Road between Plessis and the Perimeter could be done, but I'm not sure if they'd just expropriate the houses alongside the road and make a service road to Malteurop (as I drew on Stroadz) or if they would bypass South Transcona. The 2 lane config with median turning lane could be sufficient for the time being.

brainstorm

Carboy15 I'm good with it. Keeping turning traffic to a dedicated, shared lane is safe and efficient. Works if they aren't twinning it. They probably should twin it I think.

On High Speed Rail, the sweet spot for HSR is 100-500km. So Winnipeg is too far from most places of size to make HSR valuable. The Calgary-Edmonton corridor makes sense for HSR. As does Windsor-to-Montreal. But connecting into those makes more sense by air still.

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